Wednesday 2-21-18 FR213 Repair assessment run

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Wednesday 2-21-18 FR213 Repair assessment run

Post by -Spike- » Tue Feb 13, 2018 12:49 pm

FR213 is a route off the Apache Trail (SR-88) about 25 miles from Apache Junction which runs south into the Superstition Wilderness area and gives access to several hiking trails. It travels a little over three miles into the wilderness area via a 'cherry stem' of land that was excluded from the wilderness area.

We have a report by a hiker, forwarded to us by Mesa District Ranger Gary Hanna, that the route has become essentially impassable for all except the most extreme modified 4x4 vehicles, so we're going to inspect and assess it. We may not be able to run it, we may have to do some repairs to get through, or we may not have any issues at all. There are several historical mentions online and in hiking books and periodicals that it is very challenging. Come prepared for a difficult trail and a long day. We hope to get back in time for dinner and the TRAL monthly meeting- but dinner may have to wait. :hillbilly:

If we get denied early or finish quickly, there are some routes in need of inspection on the east side of Apache Lake.

BYOL- Lunch is not being provided for this run.

Meeting spot-
QuikTrip, 21 E Old West Hwy, Apache Junction, AZ 85119

We will depart at 9:30am, please plan to be there, fueled and ready by then.

If you plan to attend please sign up on the TRAL Events Calendar on the TRAL Website, or reply to this thread.

Watch this thread for updates.
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Re: Wednesday 2-21-18 FR213 Repair assessment run

Post by blubear » Tue Feb 13, 2018 2:54 pm

Ben , that is Tortilla Creek road , I think if I remember right the last time I was there is was closed to vehicles , might want to double check . I was mainly a hiking road but it goes back to the old tortilla milk ranch and some trail heads. nice ride .
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Re: Wednesday 2-21-18 FR213 Repair assessment run

Post by jlabr2 » Tue Feb 13, 2018 4:59 pm

I did part of the trail halfway down to the trailhead last year. Yes, there is a sign that says no vehicles. But the map shows it as a Jeep trial. I have tried to get clarification on this issue from the forest and no one knows who posted the sign. As far as it being drivable it looked good as far as I went, but I did not go all the way down to the trailhead.
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Re: Wednesday 2-21-18 FR213 Repair assessment run

Post by -Spike- » Tue Feb 13, 2018 5:12 pm

We have clarified the route status with Gary Hanna, it is a motorized route. Richard and I tried to inspect it in May of '16 and turned back when we saw that signage. The signage in the kiosk was incorrect, and has since been fixed. We are cleared for, uh, takeoff? :hillbilly:
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Re: Wednesday 2-21-18 FR213 Repair assessment run

Post by CarlB » Wed Feb 14, 2018 9:17 pm

I remember this road from back in 80's during my backpacking days. Although maps had it as a road, it was closed and added lots of unplanned-for miles (in and out) to our backpacking trip. Because of this, I imagine 1,000's of backpackers and hikers have experienced the same frustration when a well calculated trip starts going south before it starts. Since its only function is to get to a trail head, IMO this one should be Prius friendly.

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Re: Wednesday 2-21-18 FR213 Repair assessment run

Post by sjpitts » Fri Feb 16, 2018 1:03 am

This road is only really bad for the first 100 yards. After that it is fine. Its actually nice that way, keeps people out. Just kidding. We deer hunt there every year. But every time there are a couple of vehicles down there at either trail head. At one point a wash out is forming, its about halfway.

We were last there in early December for a deer hunt. Unless something has happened in the last two months its really not that bad of a road, minus the first 100 yards. Coming out, I think we scrap our rear bumpers every time on one of the ledges.

I don't think there is anyway you can make it prius ready. Hiking books state that those with out 4x4's must start at the parking lot off of the Apache trail.

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Re: Wednesday 2-21-18 FR213 Repair assessment run

Post by CarlB » Fri Feb 16, 2018 2:21 pm

Hiking Books? :surprised:

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Re: Wednesday 2-21-18 FR213 Repair assessment run

Post by Tools R Us » Thu Feb 22, 2018 10:35 pm

Needs some work?
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The route is some dirt/gravel.
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Some rock.
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Has views.
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Counted 4 places where I would put some rock, nothing major.
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Post by Tools R Us » Thu Feb 22, 2018 10:38 pm

Views.
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Windmill down.
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Humm..
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Re: Wednesday 2-21-18 FR213 Repair assessment run

Post by Tools R Us » Thu Feb 22, 2018 10:47 pm

The ranch.
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This is the concern spot, pic is on the way out. It is right at the staging area, works as a gate keeper, not that big of a deal, didn't even shift 4WD. Could chip the edges off of the ledges, making it more of a ramp, but don't see the point?
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